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Pham Nuuwen Free Traders Free Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.29 04:40:00 - [1] Originally by: el caido HellRaiser86 and Pham Nuuwen withdraw due to availability issues. Forty Three and Paddington move onto the next round. This is untrue and we had set a time to fight our opponents on 1/29, due to them and us never being online at the same time. The fight will go on as scheduled.
Pham Nuuwen Free Traders Free Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.29 20:30:00 - [2] Forty Three and Paddington lied about the time we were supposed to fight. I have all the logs right here. El Caido and I bickered about some minor point of rules before the tournament. He is being utterly favoritist in not allowing us our fight. He wouldn't even look at the proof that the other team set our match at a certain time, and then told him differently. If anything, Forty Three and Paddington ought to be the ones to be disqualified for lying and attempting to cheat their way past us. But we were still ready for the fight, right there, before they even went to their next match and still they wouldn't fight us. Not only that, but by doing this, El Caido has proven beyond a doubt that he's not impartial, he's not fair, and this whole tournament is a sham. It's a damn shame... we entered this tournament in good faith, we trained, we spent time and effort for it, expecting decent treatment, and for something like this to happen, it absolutely damages the proceedings badly, if not irreparably.
Pham Nuuwen Free Traders Free Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.29 23:23:00 - [3] Originally by: Vanlade Originally by: Pham Nuuwen Forty Three and Paddington lied about the time we were supposed to fight. I have all the logs right here. El Caido and I bickered about some minor point of rules before the tournament. He is being utterly favoritist in not allowing us our fight. He wouldn't even look at the proof that the other team set our match at a certain time, and then told him differently. If anything, Forty Three and Paddington ought to be the ones to be disqualified for lying and attempting to cheat their way past us. But we were still ready for the fight, right there, before they even went to their next match and still they wouldn't fight us. Not only that, but by doing this, El Caido has proven beyond a doubt that he's not impartial, he's not fair, and this whole tournament is a sham. It's a damn shame... we entered this tournament in good faith, we trained, we spent time and effort for it, expecting decent treatment, and for something like this to happen, it absolutely damages the proceedings badly, if not irreparably. Chat logs can be edited, so how can SAK know if Forty Three and Paddington lied, or if you are the lier? If you were in SAK shoes and had to choose which team to believe, would you assume that the time received by eve-mail is the correct one? This is the only correct decision to make. So maybe your team lied, maybe your opponent lied, maybe something else created confusion. But in any case SAK took the right action and your bashing in this forums only serve to discredit you. Moreover there is a simple way that this could have been avoided. _You_ should have sent the agreed time to SAK directly, instead of letting your _opponent_ team take care of things. The action of not sending SAK the time before hand only raise suspiscion against you. If your opponent sent a different time then you, SAK would know right away that something is wrong. There are many aspects in a tournament and failing to send the agreed on to SAK and trusting the other team to do it is a call to create such a situation. Hopefully you will learn from this instead of blaming everyone and everything for your mistake. . So... what you're saying is, that your opponent's team can go ahead and tell the judge that the fight is at any time they want, when you're offline, and when you don't show up, that's that? How in the world does that make ANY sense at all? We were there, in the system, ready to fight at the appointed time. They went ahead and fought their 'next' opponents anyway, after telling us they'd fight us still, cowards.
Pham Nuuwen Free Traders Free Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.30 00:40:00 - [4] Originally by: Vanlade Originally by: Pham Nuuwen So... what you're saying is, that your opponent's team can go ahead and tell the judge that the fight is at any time they want, when you're offline, and when you don't show up, that's that? How in the world does that make ANY sense at all? We were there, in the system, ready to fight at the appointed time. They went ahead and fought their 'next' opponents anyway, after telling us they'd fight us still, cowards. If you feel wronged, war dec them and take revenge. But don't try to ruin the tournament. Oh, got nothing to say about the issue then? No surprise. I'm sorry but the only recourse left is to prevent the tournament from creating any more victims like me and poor Hellraiser, who skipped a day of class to be here, only to be frozen out by the likes of crappy little El Caido.
Pham Nuuwen Free Traders Free Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.30 00:45:00 - [5] Remember that you can load faction ammo in your guns and it can't be scanned unless it's in your cargo, guys!
Pham Nuuwen Free Traders Free Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.30 05:14:00 - [6] Update: my alt's remote repair on Timaios prevented his destruction and swung the course of the match. One down, ninety nine to go!
Pham Nuuwen Free Traders Free Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.30 05:44:00 - [7] Actually, you CAN repair structure, but what I repaired on him was shields. Since he was at about 0% structure, and I got off three cycles before I ran out of cap and warped out so I wasn't killed ... I think it's safe to say I definitely swung the tide on that one. Coming up: suicide ECM jammer alts!
Pham Nuuwen Free Traders Free Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.30 08:02:00 - [8] Originally by: Dallas23 Sorry Pham you have yet to interfare with any match I have reffed..... Its sad to see a 30 old man reduced to pretending to have done something in a pretend game Your straw man arguments are amusing. But yes, I'm afraid I did. With my alt. With my finger.
Pham Nuuwen Free Traders Free Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.30 08:52:00 - [9] You're right, the shield repping is not quite as spectacular as getting a 20 second jam on someone would be, with the resulting boom and continuing negative effect on the victim. It's easily done from 100km, extremely detrimental, and nobody could possibly mistake the potential for modifying the outcome of a match. Thanks for these great ideas guys, keep em coming!
Pham Nuuwen Free Traders Free Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.30 19:14:00 - [10] Jonny or whoever, that has been banned from the forums: Sweet, score another 50 million for us! Oh, and all the ships of yours we're about to make an example of. Disruption of the tournament in recompense for our efforts will proceed as scheduled.

Pham Nuuwen Free Traders Free Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.30 20:20:00 - [11] Originally by: el caido faxtarious and Captain Immy withdraw due to availability issues. Jykoth and Twigsta move onto the next round. SebbyTheFreak and Wolfstorm withdraw due to availability issues. Saidrick and grizzlemethis move onto the next round. Tainte Gallenki and Kimiko Rigger withdraw due to availability issues. vpath and Gordo Fartis move onto the next round. After our own experience, seeing all these 'withdrawals due to availability issues' makes me wonder quite seriously if this is really the case or if this is another example of El Caido screwing teams over and/or fixing the brackets.
Pham Nuuwen Free Traders Free Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.30 22:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Vanlade Originally by: el caido Jahtar Deathbringer (Rupture) and SpaceCleaver (Thorax) defeat Eleana Tomelac (Thorax) and Angelinou (Thorax) in 1:10, in one of the quickest, most brutal of the tournament. DPS FTW. Nice! Ironically, Thorax has by far the most dps of any cruiser. Sooo not really sure where you were going with that one.

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